November 22, 2011
Debate on Bill C-304 – Canadian Human Rights Act
Hon. Irwin Cotler (Mount Royal, Lib.):
Madam Speaker, the notion implied in the private member’s bill seeks to repeal section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act on the grounds that the sanctioning of hate speech dilutes and diminishes freedom of expression, which as I said elsewhere, is the lifeblood of democracy. I agree with the hon. member that this is a bedrock principle and I have always so affirmed.
However, the premise underlying the bill, while well intentioned, is misinformed and misleading. It seems to suggest that freedom of speech is an absolute right, but it does not admit to any limitation, ignoring that all free and democratic societies have recognized certain limitations on freedom of expression. The United States, for instance, is the home of the most robust protection of freedom of speech under the first amendment doctrine. As well, my mentor and professor, the then dean of Yale Law School, Abraham Goldstein, said that freedom of speech is not an absolute right, although people continue to persist that it is.
All free and democratic societies, including the U.S., have recognized certain limitations on freedom of expression in the interest of protecting certain fundamental human values. For example, there are prohibitions against perjury, to protect the right to a fair trial; prohibitions against treasonable speech, to protect national security; prohibitions against pornography, to protect the human dignity of women and children; prohibitions respecting libellous and defamatory speech, to protect privacy and reputation; prohibitions against misleading advertising, to protect consumers. I could go on. Simply put, the provisions against hate speech partake in this genre of limitations to protect the rights of individuals and minorities against group vilifying speech, to protect against those discriminatory hate practices that reduce the standing and status of individuals and groups in society thereby constituting an inequality, and this may surprise the member who sponsored the bill, to protect the very values underlying free speech itself.
I will cite the Supreme Court of Canada cases of Keegstra, Smith and Andrews, and Taylor. In full disclosure, I appeared as counsel in these cases and did so as a proponent of freedom of expression, as one who has advocated for this bedrock principle before the courts. I have written extensively upon it. Hate speech itself constitutes an assault on the very values that underlie freedom of expression.
This promotion of hate speech actually constitutes an assault on that bedrock principle of freedom of expression. Moreover, this is of particular relevance respecting any proposal to repeal section 13. I made this point before the Supreme Court of Canada in the trilogy of cases I referenced earlier.
Hate speech is an equality issue as well as a free speech issue. The promotion of hatred and contempt against an identifiable group results in prejudicial harm to the individual and group targets of that hate speech. This harm-based rationale, as the Supreme Court characterized it, supports the sanction of hate propaganda as protective of equality. As the court put it, the concern resulting from racism and hate mongering is not simply the product of its offensiveness, but from the very real harm it causes. The member for Gatineau illustrated this in her remarks this evening.
Further, referencing international law, these anti-hate provisions were themselves implemented as a domestic implementation of our undertakings under international law, under international treaty provisions, to combat hate speech. Again, I cite the Supreme Court, which said that the protection provided for freedom of expression in international law does not extend to cover communications that advocate racial or religious hatred.
Similarly, the court invoked section 27 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to argue that hate messaging as well constituted an assault on our multicultural heritage and normative principle.
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Accordingly, I am pleased to participate in the debate on Bill C-304. The bill would repeal section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act. Its effect would be to prevent claims from being brought before human rights commissions, such claims as might protect against group vilifying speech while upholding the freedom of speech and the values that underlie it as well.
I understand that the government has concerns with section 13, but the response should be not to repeal the legislation on the alleged ground that it constitutes an assault on freedom of expression, a principle which I and many members in the House are long-standing advocates, while ignoring the countervailing protective need to protect against group vilifying speech.
Simply put, the solution is not through repeal of the legislation whose constitutional validity has been upheld by the Supreme Court, but to address the concerns and to offer proposals to modify the regime that is now in place. I would urge the government to consider the possible reforms to address any valid concerns which I will outline in my remarks as preferable to outright appeal.
As members may be aware, this very section of the Canadian Human Rights Act is now under review by the Supreme Court of Canada. This debate therefore, if I may say parenthetically, is somewhat premature. We should wait for guidance from this nation’s highest court on the scope and ambit of freedom of expression before entering into this debate.
That said, the Supreme Court has already provided much guidance in this area. It has ruled that as a matter of constitutional law, hate speech constitutes an assault on the very underlying principles respecting freedom of expression. The search for truth, the protection of individual autonomy, democratic debate and stability, while protecting vulnerable groups from hate messages, it promotes and protects the fundamental principle of equality.
Even if it should be found to prima facie infringe on freedom of speech, as former Chief Justice Dickson put it in these cases, the infringement may be characterized as a reasonable limit prescribed by law demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. It is in that context and spirit that I offer the following recommendations.
First, the Criminal Code to which reference has been made with regard to its hate speech derivatives, has a built-in filtering mechanism through the requirement of the consent of the Attorney General of Canada for launching the prosecution. I would recommend a similar filtering provision with regard to the Canadian Human Rights Act.
Second, procedural protection could be put in place to limited complainants to one jurisdiction at a time, rather than having as we now do a barrage of federal and provincial complaints that are instituted against the same individual or group, thereby serving as what has been called a strategic lawsuit against public participation, SLAPP, that can understandably serve to chill speech.
Third, we could add a statutory definition of hatred and contempt in accordance with the definitions offered by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Taylor case itself.
Fourth, we could include a provision under section 41 to allow for the early dismissal of section 13 complaints when messages do not meet the narrow definition of hatred or contempt.
Fifth, we could repeal the provision that allows for the assessment of a punitive sanction.
Sixth, we could implement better procedural safeguards in terms of the trial process and evidentiary standard.
Finally, other reforms the government might consider include allowing commissions to award costs, thereby dissuading persons from bringing forth frivolous matters. As well, the commission could also remove the possibility of an anonymous submission so that the right to face one’s accuser is better respected.
In closing, we should be awaiting the Supreme Court decision before debating this. Nonetheless, given the Supreme Court decisions that we do have, the debate we should be having tonight should be regarding how we might reform and structure the human rights commissions to protect freedom of expression while protecting vulnerable individuals and minorities from hate and group vilifying speech rather than committing ourselves to abolishing the entire regime because it has produced results which can be addressed through positive reforms, as I have indicated this evening, which would address the member’s concerns.
I would urge the government to rethink its approach and consider some of the reforms I have outlined in my remarks that are intended to protect the bedrock principle of freedom of expression and the values that underlie it, as well as to protect individuals and groups and vulnerable minorities from group vilifying speech.
Sunday, 27 November, 2011
Irwin Cotler, hate speech, and Bill C-304. Part two.
To continue my brief series on Liberal MP Irwin Cotler's position on Bill C-304, here is Irwin Cotler speaking directly to Brian Storseth's bill last week:
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While he is making his case he is ignoring that the criminal code already has provisions for hate speech and recognized defenses - what do we need to add this to the human rights code?
Under section 319, an accused is not guilty: (a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true; (b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text; (c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or (d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
Shall these defenses remain?
Here is an example - nearly all religious groups try to recruit members by countering or - otherwise - as in some cases railing against the teachings of other faith groups - they do this on the airwaves, they do this in print, they do this in public preaching - so with this new amendment - all preaching and proselytizing could become illegal/actionable.
People do not become hate mongers by hearing hate speech - rather the 'haters' in society have something in their hearts that makes them hate already.
The current law as it is governed in the criminal code IS much more effective and 'that' is where our rights are balanced with the common good and - common sense.
Who are we trying to pacify with this amendments anyway?
As well, my mentor and professor, the then dean of Yale Law School, Abraham Goldstein, said that freedom of speech is not an absolute right, although people continue to persist that it is.
No need to read further. 'My prof said some shit, so fuck your rights' would be a more honest and succint statement from Cotler.
'My prof said some shit, so fuck your rights' would be a more honest and succint statement from Cotler.
Hah!
While he is making his case he is ignoring that the criminal code already has provisions for hate speech and recognized defenses - what do we need to add this to the human rights code?
I mean to ask him this. I don't really understand the need for parallel legislation covering the same "crime." Cotler does seem to touch on this issue by suggestion that the AG sign off on hate speech prosecutions, and that would certainly be an improvement, but it seems a lot easier to just scrap Section 13 and keep the criminal code statutes in place ( although I'd rather they weren't there either ).
Who are we trying to pacify with this amendments anyway?
That's the million-dollar question.
I count eight suggestions there by Cotler -- eight obvious improvements that the Liberals could have made during their 13 years of majority government when the Justice Minister was Irvin Cotler.
Heh. True that.
don muntean said...
"While he is making his case he is ignoring that the criminal code already has provisions for hate speech and recognized defenses - what do we need to add this to the human rights code?"
Agreed. All the stuff Cotler refers to are already covered by the criminal code, but then he jumps to the vaguely/arbitrarily defined HRC "hate speech" in the same breath. Disingenuous.
Not to mention the problem with double-standards. For example, what if a Gay man repeatedly engages in vilifying "hate speech" against an individual by labelling him/her with a mental illness --"homophobia" -- simply because the latter has expressed an opinion that is contrary to a radical Gay (not all Gays are radical, by the way)? And suppose the "homophobe" loses his job, is escoriated in the community, and persecuted and harassed because he has been falsely labelled a homophobe? It would clearly be an example of hate speech by a Gay person causing serious damage to someone else, but you can bet your sweet bitty that the Gay person will never be prosecuted for "hate speech", no matter what kind of damage he causes.
The only defense to a biased system like that is for the person who is unjustly labelled a "homophobe" to be able to fight back on equal grounds with the same free speech rights as his opponent.
One man's "hate speech" is another man's legitimate way of defending himself.
I don't mean to diss Cotler, but talk about "slippery slope" -- here's just how far he's willing to put limits on free speech (the example could not be remotely represented as HRC "hate speech", much less anything in the criminal code -- and another double standard to boot):
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2011/12/20111201-204215.html
Good find, Ricardo.
One man's "hate speech" is another man's legitimate way of defending himself.
Exactly.
I'm going to try and help you here with something. The question of why 2 standards for expression? And why isn't the criminal standard enough?
Good questions. However the criminal standard for hate expression is just "existential," which applies when someone is inciting genocide against an identifiable group. That's pretty specific. And also the bar is set very very high for prosecutions at that level. So high that it's left to the discretion of a provincial attorney general before a charge can proceed. The second standard is civil, and is generally referred to to as 'strongly held expressions of calumny and hate.' The anti Section 13 folks always jump on this as supposedly being too vague, but coupled with the relatively few decisions that it's been applied to including the Supreme Court's Taylor decision, the standard at that level is quite clear. I'll use one aspect of my currently stalled Section 13 complaint as an illustration.
Some of the stuff I'd objected too were some very cruel and distorted claims about the nature of the Jewish religion. The respondent posted at length, describing my religion and our religious texts sanctioning child rape and sex with cadavers. And this material is posted on a standing website, which cannot be refuted or challenged meaningfully in any kind of forum. I could go on about the history of such things over the last 2,000 years and how this kind of trash inspired hatred and murder many times over the centuries, but suffice to say, that at some level, there should be a mechanism for the removal of the worst of this kind of racist invective. Technically, and the way our criminal code is written, this kind of vile expression isn't remedied. Perhaps the criminal code itself could be modified to remedy incitement that's less than specifically genocidal. Which is already the case in many countries. Germany, France, Austria, Belgium provide for this in their criminal codes, and naturally the punishments are at a criminal level. Imprisonment and stiff fines. Right now Section 13 is for cease and desist and removal, and fines up to 10 k, but these fines are rarely levied. Indeed those of us wanting to retain S13 or a variant thereof, are all asking that fines be removed on a first offense...
Thanks for the clarification. I'm glad that we agree on the removal of fines, at least. If I remember correctly, it was the punitive measures in Sec. 54 ( if I have that right )that got Athanasios Hadjis to declare Sec. 13 unconstitutional in the first place in the Lemire case.
I see where you're coming from on the differences between the criminal code and section 13 hate speech provisions, but I'm afraid I still have to disagree. I just don't think that hate speech laws are a good idea, and over the years I've yet to run across a case that has changed my mind.
There are a lot of vile, disgusting people out there. But fining them, or trying to get them to desist, or even throwing them in jail doesn't deter vile, disgusting people from saying vile, disgusting things. It's a condition of human nature that we have to deal with unsavoury people. I don't think that there's a cure for that - certainly not one courtesy of our government.
It may surprise Mr. Cotler to learn that Sec 13 protects the very values underlying free speech itself in the same way that honour killings protect a family's reputation.
Heaven help Canadians when they suffer Attorneys General who reason thusly with a straight face:
"Simply put, the solution is not through repeal of the legislation whose constitutional validity has been upheld by the Supreme Court
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this very section of the Canadian Human Rights Act is now under review by the Supreme Court of Canada."
Sec 13 is now under review by the SCC, and the subject of more than one bill to rescind, due to the fact it was fatally flawed when originally penned.
The flaw was repeatedly exploited by a former student, and later colleague of Mr. Cotler himself.
Sec 13 stands as a superb example of 'bonfire of the vanities', collecting speech to be publicly burned.
Only when it ultimately escaped the boundaries envisioned for its use did the travesties of Justice it had fostered come to broad public attention, and Mr. Cotler's suggestions for 'tweaking' such an un-Canadian law reflects the shortcomings of allowing Yale Law School graduates run the Canadian Justice system.
When Sec 13 is finally expunged from Canadian law, the only folks who will weep for that passing are those who levied the service charge on free expression in Canada.
walker wrote: "...it was the punitive measures in Sec. 54 ( if I have that right )that got Athanasios Hadjis to declare Sec. 13 unconstitutional in the first place in the Lemire case.
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Close but not quite all. Hadjis partially upheld Warman's complaint concerning hateful postings made to Lemire's Freedom Site but instead of simply ordering removal & a cease and desist of similar material, Hadjis refused to issue ANY order against Lemire because he disagreed with the fact that a fine could also have been ordered.
this was rather bizarre, because Hadjis could simply have rendered the decsion "severed" or SIMPLY waived the fine, and left the case completely open to appeal, which is what will be heard next week. So it's unlikely that the facts of the case will be heard again, rather it will more likely be about Hadjis' procedure.Once that's done the actual constitutionality of S13 can be legally challenged, if the Supreme Court of Canada will hear it AGAIN. It may very well not want to, as the Taylor Decision has been challenged in the Whatcott hearing. But we'll see....
Walker wrote:
"There are a lot of vile, disgusting people out there. But fining them, or trying to get them to desist, or even throwing them in jail doesn't deter vile, disgusting people from saying vile, disgusting things."
OK, but like it or not, people's behavior, when it affects others in a society or between societies does have legal constraints which are for the mutually agreed upon benefit of all and to keep the peace. And this applies to many kinds of actions and yes, even expression issues. You may drive a car. But you're not supposed to speed in a school zone. It's against the law to drive drunk. Copying someone else's intellectual material, be it a song, or a Disney cartoon, for unauthorized profit is against the law too. So is harming someone with speech or written or broadcast expression that exposes them unfairly to libel, or destruction of reputation or exposes them to danger, loss of life, property. Hate expression causes harm. Therefore it deserves to be controlled one way or the other. The exact determination of what is hate and when expression crosses the line has been debated and will continue to be debated for a very long time. But if you have ever been the victim of hate crime, or the target of invective because of of your skin, your religion or your gender, you might feel differently than you appear to do right now. Perhaps your thoughts about hate expression and it's place or non-place in our society may change over time.
When Sec 13 is finally expunged from Canadian law, the only folks who will weep for that passing are those who levied the service charge on free expression in Canada.
Well said.
Close but not quite all. Hadjis partially upheld Warman's complaint concerning hateful postings made to Lemire's Freedom Site but instead of simply ordering removal & a cease and desist of similar material, Hadjis refused to issue ANY order against Lemire because he disagreed with the fact that a fine could also have been ordered.
Oh, that's right. Thanks - I'd forgotten the details.
Perhaps your thoughts about hate expression and it's place or non-place in our society may change over time.
That's possible. I like to think I'll be able to own up to it if my opinions do change.
Hate expression causes harm.
Fair enough, but I would argue that this isn't about whether hate speech is harmful - it undoubtedly is. What is up for argument is whether or not hate speech causes so much harm that it deserves to be censored. In other words, are we prepared to give up a little bit of a very precious freedom in order to try and punish this harmful behavior? I don't think we should.
"...What is up for argument is whether or not hate speech causes so much harm that it deserves to be censored. In other words, are we prepared to give up a little bit of a very precious freedom in order to try and punish this harmful behavior? I don't think we should..."
Actually that has already been addressed by Supreme Court of Canada in the Taylor decision:
"Although section 13 was found to be inconsistent with section 2(b) of the Charter, it was saved under section 1 as a reasonable limit in a free and democratic society. "
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2010-31-e.htm
Again, fair enough. However, I don't agree with the SCC's decision in Taylor. I think they made a mistake on that one.
Actually, here's another thought for you about "Censorship" and hate expression legislation.
One of the most important purposes that hate expression legislation serves, is that it is a message by the "greater society" that there's a limit to abuse and to show that minorities and groups historically subject to persecution are not just entitled to receive justice and healing, but to be affirmed as equal citizens.
I hadn't thought of it that way before, Harry. But isn't equality - especially under the law - already something that citizens are entitled to in countries like Canada?
"... isn't equality - especially under the law - already something that citizens are entitled to in countries like Canada?..."
In theory yes. In practice, not always. That's one of the reasons why you so often hear that hate propaganda is not only anti-democratic, it shuts down discourse. Furthermore, if it's overwhelming, then those affected and feel they have no other recourse will tend to either withdraw from meaningful participation as equals in society or respond hatefully or violently, just as any other systematically abused person would. Also first generation immigrants, many of of whom many not have English or French as a first language,in terms of articulation may not be as equipped to compete meaningfully against an onslaught of hate expression. It's exactly the same as dealing with a bullying situation.
If you have time Walker, I think you would find it meaningful to look up the "ethics of journalism," and the general guidelines of practice for people who manage media.
Journalism, and other arts and facilities of communication give a skilled operator a great ability to influence public opinion and precipitate meaningful change in society.
One of the guiding principles, and indeed one which has governed how I have run my own media business for 28 years is this:
Media managers should never use their abilities to influence public opinion to "beat up" on people for the things about themselves that they cannot change.
Oh heck, here's one more basic precept of the ethics of journalism for you.
" Media managers should guard against publishing statements deliberately designed to mislead and avoid re-publishing lies which have already been exposed."
seems like a no-brainer, huh? But when these two core principles go off the rails hate propaganda gets wings.
Indeed that's why we have institutions like the BC Press Council and the Canadian Radio-television Telecommunications Commission to adjudicate complaints that arise from alleged abuse in commercial publications.
What has all this got to do with S. 13 and similar legislation?
Here's how I was quoted on the front page of the Vancouver Sun, in the first front page story about Abrams V. Collins & North Shore News:
"If the (then) BC Press Council had shown some meaningful leadership and upheld the ethics of journalism, then I wouldn't be going to legislation for a remedy."
In theory yes. In practice, not always.
You're right, and this is obviously something that needs to be addressed. But surely more of a focus on equal application of the laws already on the books - in the criminal code - would take care of a lot of problems that end up as CHRC complaints?
Media managers should never use their abilities to influence public opinion to "beat up" on people for the things about themselves that they cannot change.
I agree. I hope that's not what I'm doing.
"If the (then) BC Press Council had shown some meaningful leadership and upheld the ethics of journalism, then I wouldn't be going to legislation for a remedy."
I agree with this as well. Organizations like the BC Press Council should show more leadership, and more spine when it comes to good journalism. You'll find no argument from me there. However, I think that this is another example of something that should be changed, but does not validate Section 13's existence simply because it hasn't been changed yet. If that makes sense.
Harry re:
"If the (then) BC Press Council had shown some meaningful leadership and upheld the ethics of journalism, then I wouldn't be going to legislation for a remedy."
The BCHRTribunal was never meant to be an 'Appeals Board' for the BCPCouncil, or any other bureaucracy.
Furthermore, Doug Collins had already been subjected to a BCHRTribunal hate-speech Complaint and Hearing - the first ever - and the Complaint dismissed.
How they came to entertain your Complaint, the second of two, is a mystery, but what's done is done.
What remains undone is to ensure that the growing reach of such tribunals is ended as quickly as possible, and the reasons for doing so made clear to the public by Journalists unafraid of similar actions as were visited upon Mr. Collins.
W.: "..But surely more of a focus on equal application of the laws already on the books - in the criminal code - would take care of a lot of problems that end up as CHRC complaints?..."
Sorry Morrow, but for me this just confirms the gaps in your understanding of what S13 and similar legislation addresses and the criminal code as it stands does not and never did cover, which was why legislation to a civil standard was implemented.
The Collins case as one example, was a situation where a newspaper found it profitable for one of their columnists to produce outrageous screeds in a biweekly column. These columns often contained race-baiting material targeting non-white skinned immigrants, women, Gays and Jews. Quite often the articles contained "false facts" references to discredited sources. Holocaust denial was a frequent theme, also ridiculing Jews for the Holocaust. You can go back in the records of the BC Press Council to see many complaints that were heard by the Council concerning bogus & racist stuff that Collins and the NSN churned out. They really were an emarrassement to the profession. But The Press Council, very much a function of the newspaper industry refused to ever order anything more than a mild wrist slap for the most egregious of journalistic practices. People would write in to the paper to complain. They'd publish their letters, then Collins would snipe back at them in his columns. Ethnic groups, Iranians, Jews, others approached the advertisers. That didn't work so well either, because in that era, the North Shore News commanded a great audience. Was one of the few effective local advertising vehicles. And all this controversy increased sensationalism and therefore reader interest. The Canadian Jewish Congress, unbeknownst to me when I prepared my own case, had one of their own in the works, which was launched weeks before mine and so was heard first. They refusd to join complaints with mine, which in retrospect was just as well... Their complaint wasn't apparently evidential enough to render a formal BC Human Rights decision against the paper, but mine was. Since then, no one that I know of has brought a similar kind of complaint to the BC commission. The case made Canadian legal history and is still studied in journalism schools as a very prime example of what newpapers (or other publications) shouldn't do.
Hunh. Interesting.
I'm trying to think back about BC publications that ran into problems for racism and how things were resolved or not resolved. I do recall that one online non-commercial website was censured in a section 13 for hate against Gays. But of the commercial publications in the last 1o years, one called I think MUSLIM NEWS, which was a newsletter that had some advertising in it,based in Richmond had some extreme expression in it for a time, but after public exposure and condemnation in other media, it ceased to be a problem. For a time, the Vancouver Courier newspaper ran Israel-hating articles by the very loopy Greg Felton. But that never went to human rights, because again other media exposure n the mainstream and pressure from the advertisers had the paper send Felton packing.
Standing internet websites by individuals are another story. THese days, anyone with a computer is a publisher. Blogs like this one, seem to be well run. Gratuitous invective isn't the order of the day. Facebook pages, twitter and youtube accounts, the ability for any person to get their thoughts or news out there for others to consider is exponential. How many of these become disturbingly violent or racist or cruelly pornographic enough to merit intervention? Not many I think. But within careful constitutional safeguards, I think that we should have something available to deal with the worst of the worst of them if all other appeals fail.
BC Publications cont'd.
A few years ago Adbusters Magazine published an article that specifically singled out recognizably Jewish members of President George Bush's closest staff. Did so by putting a dot next to their names on a list in a story. This really pissed a lot of people off. I filed a Section 13 against them over it, but the complaint was rejected a intake as insubstantial. Also it waa "one-off." It didn't become an ongoing trend in every issue. An internet website called PEACE EARTH AND JUSTICE PEJ.org was another website against which I filed a S13. They had some very bizarre and classically antisemitic stuff and were recklessly explicit when it came to hating Israel, I thought. I filed an action, and it was accepted. However, when the owner of the website was finally served, he immediately had removed the specific articles that I complained of. He himself did not apparently post them. Friends of his, who he gave editorial control to... did. But when these articles were removed, that ended the complaint.
Hmm...also interesting. Do you think that - with the obvious exception of North Shore News - most publications stay within the bounds of respectable publication and stay away from out-of-bounds opinions? Put another way: do you think that the trend has been toward less, not more hatred in BC publications?
Overall, I'd say that the local mainstream publications that I have seen and heard about lately have been generally pretty good.
There are still some issues with campus newspapers and co-op radio stations. But nothing that I can think of at the moment so extreme as to merit legislative relief .
Alright, fair enough.
Harry re:
The Canadian Jewish Congress, unbeknownst to me when I prepared my own case, had one of their own in the works, which was launched weeks before mine and so was heard first.
They refusd to join complaints with mine, which in retrospect was just as well...
Their complaint wasn't apparently evidential enough to render a formal BC Human Rights decision against the paper, but mine was.
And the BCHRTribunal went along with that nonsense ?
The then BC Attorney General, MLA Ujjal Dosanjh (NDP) condoned that tag-team approach to persecution of Journalist and Media by what has best been described as kangaroo courts ?
Look, I've read the Abrams v. Collins Judgment several times. It's available at The Nizkor Project site:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/ftp.py?people/c/collins.doug/abrams-vrs-collins.judgment
and is a must read for anyone interested in knowing how 'human rights' hate speech persecutions went so wrong so quickly.
They started off corrupted, and built on the dubious success of the method employed.
Included in the Judgment are the 4 columns you singled out as examples upon which to build your Complaint.
Presumably they're the best examples you could find to bolster your argument.
They're your 'Muslim Cartoons', and like those cartoons are tepid relative to the inflammatory way you describe them.
You're a big boy who's made a living from drawing attention to products or services.
Nothing was better for your dignity and respect than going one better than the competition, CJC, grrrr.
Old Doug was bruised and battered when you got the tag, and it helped to have the same ref in the ring, and the same promoters at ringside when you took down that octogenarian.
I don't accept your description of what Doug Collins penned for the NSN at the time, and re-reading the 4 columns in the Judgment appendix only confirms that.
It's much like reading any other column through biased eyes, and certainly didn't degrade your own dignity or self-confidence.
Some folks listen to PM Harper and resonate positively, some see malice in his every word.
Those who see malice would have him before a 'human rights' tribunal in an instant, were that possible.
Tribunal Justice based on likely events have got to go Harry, and the outcome of the first two, and consecutive BCHRT hearings of Complaints against Doug Collins, for what was entered as 'evidence' only confirms that doubletalk is what took down Journalist Doug Collins.
What was read was in the eyes of the beholder.
Since then, no one that I know of has brought a similar kind of complaint to the BC commission. The case made Canadian legal history and is still studied in journalism schools as a very prime example of what newpapers (or other publications) shouldn't do.
Harry, you're a legendary sensei. But in political theatre, not Justice.
And how appropriate is that when the dual subject of complaint was script entitled 'Hollywood Propaganda' ?
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