A little while back, I started a blog on Tumblr called
Diary of a Libertarian. The basic idea behind it was to have a place where I could talk about my journey into libertarian territory, talk about libertarian theory, that sort of thing.
But I've decided that I would rather incorporate that blog as an element of
this blog, so
Diary of a Libertarian is going to suffer an early death.
That still leaves a problem, though. There is one lengthy post on
Diary which I would like to preserve which would be lost if I were to delete the blog. So here's a copy of the post below - hey, if you didn't get a chance to read it the first time around, maybe you'll get to read something new by me, of all people.
So here it is:
So what's a child go for these days, anyway?I really must apologise for the lack of posts on this site since its inception. My input over-all has been rather sparse lately, due to a mix of factors.
As I said in my first post, this site is really a place for me to talk about my journey into the libertarian compound. But I'm afraid this post will accomplish very little of that.
Instead, I'd like to talk a little about child labor. Because after all, as a libertarian it's bound to come up eventually.
The reason I bring it up now is that I saw this story, via Douglas McIntyre at Daily Finance:
The National Labor Committee released a report called “China’s Youth Meet Microsoft [MSFT]: KYE factory in China produces for Microsoft and other U.S. Companies” on Apr. 13. It accuses KYE (photo, right), a major supplier to the world’s largest software company, of child-labor law violations in its factory in Dongguan, China.
The report says: “KYE recruits hundreds (up to 1,000) ‘work-study’ students 16 and 17 years of age, who work 15-hour shifts, six and seven days a week making webcams, mice and other computer peripherals. Some of the workers appear to be just 14 or 15 years old. A typical shift is from 7:45 a.m. to 10:55 p.m. Most of the students work for three months, but some stay longer.” The investigation was conducted over a three-year period.
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Charles Kernaghan, executive director of the organization and author of the report, says of his group’s findings: “It sounded like torture. The frantic pace on the assembly line, same motion over and over for the 12 hours or more of work they did.”
The report adds: “As usual, the codes of conduct for Microsoft, HP [HPQ] and the Electronics Industry Council have zero impact.” The report makes a number of other allegations about work conditions in the facility.
Read it all here. H/t for this story to Uppity Woman, who takes a rather dim view of Microsoft and similar American companies for the above:
You know, I can at least in part understand why companies got fed up with being squeezed by American labor unions, taxes, and the cost of health insurance in the USA. But this isn’t about cutting costs any longer. When you exploit children, you are greedy. You are not only greedy, but you are barely human.
Now, perhaps it's me. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the sentence above - after all, there's a difference between moral disagreement and condemnation, and pronouncing judgment that something or other should be banned, or forced to stop.
But let's say that this is merely a moral condemnation. Why?
Seriously, why? Why is it immoral to exploit child labor in third world countries? As another libertarian blogger put it recently:
Ideals, aspirations, rhetoric - none of these count for shit when it comes to picking a society up by its bootstraps. If there's nothing there, the wealth has to be created. It gets created sheer bloody hard physical work. And much like those kids are there to work the farm for the survival of the family, the reality of it is that they're there to work in the sweatshop for the (slightly better) survival of the family, too.
Oh, and a corollary to this: if you want those kids to get out of the sweatshops more quickly, spend your efforts getting free trade implemented with these poorer nations. Our protectionist policies like import tariffs, the CAP and so forth just drag out the time those kids are stuck in the sweatshop.
The faster we can buy stuff from them and the more of the money that goes to them, the better off both parties are: we get stuff slightly cheaper and they get a bigger market. And the faster they get their wealth, the faster they'll be able to afford schools and the faster those kids will get out of the factories and into lifestyles more like ours.
Exactly. The blogger - Obnoxio - also points out that charity is not nearly the alternative means of achieving that same end. It all depends on economic development: the wealther a nation and its people are, the better off they will be in the long run. But how they get to that state of wealth can be a horrific task.
And so let's go back to our fellow exploiting child - if you agree that a 15-17-year old is a child - labor. Is it a heartless thing for a company to use these people for their own ends? Yes, probably.
But really, it depends on how you make moral judgments. It's rather more complicated than just saying that certain behaviors are 'bad', and just leaving it at that. Do we judge something to be 'bad' based on intention, or based on outcome?
Ultimately, we like our justice system to be based on outcome. You do something, and then you get punished for it. And generally, it's considered unjustifiable to punish somebody for a crime that they haven't already committed ( certain police sting operations and the like skirt this line uncomfortably close, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument ).
In our justice system, we rely on outcomes-based judgment. Indeed, that seems like a fair way to go about things - intentions are rather meaningless without the power to back them up with real action. I might intend to do something, but whether or not I do it is all that really matters. The road to Hell, and all that.
And so, to go back to our sweatshop-exploiting capitalist, as Obnoxio once again expains:
Remember, kids, these guys are taking these jobs voluntarily because the jobs are better than any other option they have. Wages are low because there is vastly more supply than demand for the workers. But for all that, it's still better than what they had before.
You can rail about the heartless über-capitalist, but the capitalist is the guy who decides where he spends his own money. And the rational thing to do is to maximise your return on investment. If he chose not to invest his money in Outer Cuntistan, those people would continue their shitty lives scraping by an even worse existence off the land. And if you're going to start with minimum wage or any of that shit, he may still bother because he's a really nice guy, but crucially, he may well fuck off somewhere else.
Your noble ideals will have doomed Outer Cuntistan to another generation of desperate, grinding poverty and misery. But since your heart is in the right place, you can feel good about it. It is your right to feel good about people being worse off, kids dying, people being denied the chance to a better life. No, really, it is.
Motives trump outcomes, every single time, especially for social democrats.
I can certainly understand the importance of morals. I'm generally friendly with the idea of having them, certainly. But in the end, in the case of 'child' labor, we have to look at the outcome.
Is there a certain outcome for these people? No. We can't say for sure what will happen to them. But we can generally be assured that, over the long term, they, and the next generations in a compound fashion, will be better off as a whole because of the greater wealth and economic activity.The sooner we get through the development stages, the uncomfortable stages, the better things will be.
But let's not forget the attention. The more attention being concentrated on these areas, the more focus on their struggle, the better.
This is not to undermine critics' efforts. Companies need their critics to keep them honest. But let's not forget that ultimately, the good guy and the bad guy don't really apply to this situation. Money may not be able to buy happiness, but it can sure help someone at least catch a glimpse of that state of mind.